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P: 6/25/2006 7:53:02 PM

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Was just looking at the photos (outstanding sports photography) from the May 2005 ADCC tournament, where Juliana Borges won the championships of her own weight class and of the women's absolute category. In winning those two clearly prestigious titles Juliana - I'm almost positive of this - submitted not one opponent. All of her victories came on points.

Certainly winning is the goal - and within the rules you try to win whatever way you can. However, if it is called submission wrestling and you consistently do not tap out anybody, I think that's unfortunate. Perhaps also a little tedious to watch.

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P: 6/25/2006 9:16:24 PM

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If there was a submission every time, how exciting would it be? Not knowing if there will be a submission increases the drama of the fight.

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P: 6/26/2006 12:13:45 PM

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If you're interested in seeing submissions (or any kind of skill or technique, for that matter) you might want to avoid the women's division altogether.

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P: 6/27/2006 12:21:43 PM

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Date: 6/26/2006 12:13:45 PM
Author: letmbleed
If you're interested in seeing submissions (or any kind of skill or technique, for that matter) you might want to avoid the women's division altogether.

And the ADCC championships.

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P: 6/29/2006 8:15:54 AM

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submissions are clear and there is no doubt who has won.......

winnings by points causes often a strange feeling and you can never know for sure if the right one has won or if the pointsystem was wrong

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P: 6/29/2006 3:09:13 PM

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Date: 6/25/2006 9:16:24 PM
Author: þìmþ§±êíñ
If there was a submission every time, how exciting would it be? Not knowing if there will be a submission increases the drama of the fight.

It's just not possible to understand how anyone could claim or imply that my original (June 25) comment was an assertion that a submission ought to take place in every submission wrestling contest.

What I commented on was the performance of a specific individual who won two titles (which would have involved several contests) at a prestigious tournament - while tapping out nobody.

I'm not of the opinion that every contest needs to be decided by a choke or an armbar or other submission technique.

Nonetheless, we perhaps need to keep in mind that the activity is called submission wrestling, not submission-just-on-a-rare-occasion-wrestling, and not submissionless wrestling.

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P: 6/29/2006 3:13:20 PM

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Date: 6/29/2006 3:09:13 PM
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It's just not possible to understand how anyone could claim or imply that my original (June 25) comment was an assertion that a submission ought to take place in every submission wrestling contest.

Your attempt at imitating what you hear on court TV is truely impressive.

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P: 8/7/2006 7:36:30 PM

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Date: 6/29/2006 3:13:20 PM
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Your attempt at imitating what you hear on court TV is truely impressive.

Inasmuch as I devote little time to television I've never gotten around to watching Court TV.

Parenthetically, your attempt at writing a sentence is not favorable impressive. The word is spelled t-r-u-l-y.

Too much TV watching on your part?

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P: 8/7/2006 9:39:32 PM

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Date: 8/7/2006 7:36:30 PM
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Date: 6/29/2006 3:13:20 PM

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Date: 6/29/2006 3:09:13 PM

Author: LO9

It's just not possible to understand how anyone could claim or imply that my original (June 25) comment was an assertion that a submission ought to take place in every submission wrestling contest.

Your attempt at imitating what you hear on court TV is truely impressive.

It wasnâ€™t my intention to write perfectly. You see, I am posting informally on a discussion board. To the contrary, it is your intention to look more intelligent than you actually are.

"Perhaps also a little tedious to watch." <-- This is not a complete sentence.

"submissionless" <-- This is not a word.

"favorable impressive." <-- What is this?

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P: 8/8/2006 5:30:07 PM

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Date: 8/7/2006 7:36:30 PM
Author: LO9

Date: 6/29/2006 3:13:20 PM
Author: þìmþ§±êíñ

Your attempt at imitating what you hear on court TV is truely impressive.

Your posts remind me of that character on "In Living Color." The black guy who used words he didn't really understand, in an attempt to sound intelligent.

"Insofar as it would be agreeable to sustitute submissions with condominiums - excuse me, condemnations - of the stature of phrasiology, I would choose to coincide with the vilification of the macribiotic cosmetology, you see."

Support women's submission grappling. Because a pretentious loser's mind is a terrible thing.

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P: 8/29/2006 12:58:02 AM

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It's called key word [:0] SUBMISSION [:0] Wrestling. If I wanted to watch 2 females and sometimes even that is in question, roll around and not win by tapping there pretty little hands on each others bottoms I'd go watch a female High School wrestilng match....you know the type of Wrestling without todays key word in the title.......Oh Yeah and LMB is right if you want to see submissions just stay away from women events all together.

Evolve or get left behind...

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P: 5/6/2008 1:43:20 PM

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I have only been competing for six months, but I have twelve wins and four losses. Ten of those wins came by submission in less than two minutes; half of those ten were in about one minute, including a rear naked choke at 0:39 and a triangle at 0:43. One of the matches I lost, and one of the matches I won on points, saw the buzzer go off before I could finish the submission I had set up (kimura from guard and americana from mount, respectively). In fact, in all of my the matches I didn't win by submission, save one I lost by triangle at 2:14, I had my opponent in a minimum of two and a maximum of four solid submissions that they had to work to escape. This includes the match I lost in the absolute division at Grapplers Quest Las Vegas last weekend.

And the last time I checked, I was a girl.

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P: 5/7/2008 5:56:27 AM

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Date: 5/6/2008 1:43:20 PM
Author: trianglegrrl

Date: 6/26/2006 12:13:45 PM

Author: letmbleed

If you're interested in seeing submissions (or any kind of skill or technique, for that matter) you might want to avoid the women's division altogether.

Wow, you've been training a whole six months?!?!? Impressive!!!

I'm kidding, of course. Your post means nothing. The only thing more pathetic than bragging about winning in the women's division, is bragging about winning in the beginner women's division. Did you also win a gold medal in the Special Olympics? Was it for bowling?

Now, I suspect that you'll argue that you competed up in the advanced or intermediate division. I'm still not impressed. The fact that you're having success with kimuras from the guard, and Americanas from mount says less about your talent than it does about your opponents' lack of talent. Aside from a second-week white belt, who the fuck gets caught in an Americana from mount in a tournament?

I'm gonna make another educated guess here. You're fat, aren't you? I know, I know. It's curvy, right? I'll bet you compete in the "and up" division, and then brag about mounting a girl whom you outweigh by fifty pounds. There's something to be proud of.

Here's another guess: I'll bet you really were a girl last time you checked, but I'll bet a lot of people feel like they need to check for themselves, 'cuz they just can't tell for sure when they look at you.

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